How Can I Be Invulnerable to Dragon Breath 5e

Post by **Nagora** Â» Mon Feb fifteen, 2010 11:17 pm

11th level monk? Certain thing. And accept a bazillion gold pieces too, you imaginary character you!

Seriously, if you lot play them BtB then s/he deserves to go the rewards and I'd include the Dark-green Dragon Jiff in that. If y'all brand things a chip easier on monks at low level, on the other hand, and then there's no basis for complaining if the rewards are knocked downwardly a notch or ii later.

admittedly, its poisonous breath. They are immune to toxicant. DUH!

Post by **Thorkhammer** Â» Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:06 am

It's simply a matter of, A) you lot allow the amnesty according the the rules-guideline, or B) you don't, because of any reason you want.

The btb respond would seem to bespeak that the monk is, indeed, immune to " poisonous substance of any type" (PhB p.32).

Tue February 16, 2010 12:07 am

Dark-green dragon breath is chlorine gas, Chlorine gas doesn't actually "poison" you lot, information technology turns the moisture in your lungs into muriatic acid, monks are non immune to acid are they?

Post by **Thorkhammer** Â» Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:09 am

cwslyclgh wrote:Dark-green dragon jiff is chlorine gas, Chlorine gas doesn't actually "toxicant" you, it turns the moisture in your lungs into hydrochloric acid, monks are not immune to acrid are they?

So light-green dragons are actually a pale imitation of blackness dragons. Cool.

Remind me non to bother donning my Ring of Fire Resistance should I ever face a large, aboriginal Ruby-red one under your style of DMing.

It would be useless, yeah. Dragon breath damage is only affected by dragon breath saving throw, nothing else, non artifacts, not Greater Dieties, NOTHZING LEBOWSKI.

Mail past **ken-do-nim** Â» Tue Feb xvi, 2010 12:56 am

phantasm72 wrote:Non in my games. But allowed to poison from natural sources, not magical beings or spells...

I'grand okay with a DM ruling that monk toxicant amnesty doesn't extend to poison gas even if I don't agree with it, but what you're saying is ... well, an awful ruling. And so if a cleric casts toxicant on an 11th level monk in your game his immunity wouldn't help?

Edit: btw, anybody remember Episode I where the jedi were gassed by the Merchandise Federation baddies just information technology didn't affect them? I thought of this monk ability when I saw that scene.

Tue February sixteen, 2010 1:07 am

No. If it's a save vs. poison attack, the monk is immune. Green dragon breath is not toxicant per se. Information technology's a "chemical weapon" that causes harm equal to the dragon's hp. In the monk's case, the damage is already reduced to half, or negated with a successful saving throw.

Post past **Thorkhammer** Â» Tue Feb xvi, 2010 1:26 am

I tin can agree with the immunity being restricted to toxicant-attacks and not jiff weapons. It's not that big a deal.

But as a quid pro quo I think everyone should take a magic mark and blackness out the description in their MM under Dark-green dragon where information technology describes the brute's breath weapon every bit a "cloud of poisonous chlorine gas" to "cloud of chlorine gas"; because essentially, the chlorine gas should be restricted to a specific damaging effect, and not called poisonous, since some things have an immunity to toxicant.

Better yet, permit's burn down down the damn barn and begin again.

JerryB wrote:

ken-do-nim wrote:Admittedly. The ability says immune to all forms of poison. That includes poisonous substance gas. How can you rule otherwise?

Because dragon'southward jiff and poisonous substance crave different saving throws.

Irrelevant. They are unlike saving throws because typically poison is resisted with fortitude whereas dragon breath is dodged. In this case, the monk - who is also immune to disease - has an power to neutralize dissentious particles that enter his system. I see the immunity to poison as building on the amnesty to affliction - just larger particles. If yous want to say that green dragon jiff is an acrid assault, that's fine, merely if it is a cloud of poisonous gas similar a cloudkill, then the monk tin can handle it.

Post by **phantasm72** Â» Tue February 16, 2010 2:18 am

ken-exercise-nim wrote:

phantasm72 wrote:Not in my games. Only immune to poison from natural sources, not magical beings or spells...

I'm okay with a DM ruling that monk poisonous substance immunity doesn't extend to poison gas even if I don't agree with it, only what you're maxim is ... well, an awful ruling. And then if a cleric casts toxicant on an 11th level monk in your game his immunity wouldn't help?

Nope, not in my games. I see nearly of the monks powers coming from him being 'at 1' with nature, and so things that are grossly un-natural (such as magically created toxicant in your body) are not affected by the monks resistances.

Post by **genghisdon** Â» Tue Feb 16, 2010 iii:05 am

No.

Though Ken has a pretty good instance if i desires. The L11+ monk takes one-half or no damage anyway vs Black, White, Blue or Reddish dragon breath weapons already, it really doesn't thing all that much. A later edition did spell it out every bit an acid attack, though for AD&D 1e that is somewhat dubious. Demons and Devils for example, consider gas and poisonous substance to exist dissimilar attack forms. Specificly, they accept half damage from "gas (poisonous, ect)", but suffer total effects of poisons. It is anything but clear that poison or gas immunity imply immunity to both attack forms, despite oblivous overlap in many cases.

Mayhap a compromise of half damage vs gas attacks, that when combined with Monkish evasion abilities makes for i/4 or no damage vs light-green dragons for L11+ monks. I'1000 inclined to exit monks vulnerable to gas attacks myself, be they from dark-green or gold dragon breath, stinking clouds, or troglodyte stench. I wouldn't get to worked up over a DM call on it though, either way.

Mail past **Gnarley Basic** Â» Tue Feb xvi, 2010 3:17 am

DMPrata wrote:No. If it's a salve vs. toxicant assail, the monk is immune. Light-green dragon breath is not poison per se. It'south a "chemical weapon" that causes damage equal to the dragon's hp. In the monk's case, the damage is already reduced to half, or negated with a successful saving throw.

This. In Advertisement&D poison causes decease or paralysis, nigh never impairment.

Post past **Thorkhammer** Â» Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:47 am

Gnarley Bones wrote:This. In AD&D poison causes death or paralysis, nearly never damage.

This, and so, supports the statement that, "if in that location are exceptions, there are exceptions" Thus, the monk could be granted immunity due to the ambiguousness of the descriptions of both principles involved.

Also, just in example some folks don't believe GB--

Sting Ray: ...any such striking necessitates a saving throw versus poison, and if the victim fails its saving throw information technology is paralyzed for 5-twenty turns and takes a like number of hitting points of additional harm

bolded by me.

Ergo, poison, equally GB said, is not exclusively non-damaging.

Also in question is the "poisonous sting" of the giant pismire. It attempts to do this for 3-12 points of harm, but if a successful save vs. poison is made the victim takes only 1-4. In this case, the poisonous substance merely does additional harm; it is not the usual save or die blazon.

Mail service by **SBLaxman** Â» Tue Feb xvi, 2010 4:10 am

Greenish dragon breath is a corrosive chemical attack as far every bit I'one thousand concerned. Yes, the word "poison" is used, simply it's not the same thing. Holding your breath won't assistance either, it'll burn down your eyes and olfactory organ simply the same.

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